Brendan O'Connor

By people like you?

That's rubbish as I see it.

Precisely.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

And I've worked with clients who've talked to me about that, that their partner wants to know what they're thinking all the time.

And I'm kind of going, well, you know, that's your private space up there.

And a really healthy relationship for me is about you being a part of it and being separate from it.

I'm an open enough person, but there are certainly things in my life that I've experienced, that I think, that I whatever, that's just for me.

Yeah.

And if you embarrass someone.

And my wife will never ask me to try to get in there and see, well, what is it that's just for you?

And make them feel shame.

And there are things just for her that she's experienced and she thinks, I'm not going to go and mining my way in there and go, tell me what that is and what's that thought about?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I heard a guy say on Ezra Klein there the other night that Trump is not a cause, that he is actually a symptom.

We're separate individuals.

Yeah.

No.