Brendan O'Connor

No.

The minute my father died, it was almost as if everything clicked into place and I suddenly could see his story.

Yeah.

Again, you know, it's an important thing to manage that distance because if your only value in the relationship is that you dump your emotional surge onto me, then you go off freed and I'm like swamped over here trying to figure all that stuff out.

That's not a healthy dynamic.

And have you thought anything interesting about them?

Because we talked about your parents a little bit the last time.

Honestly, I would experience that quite often in my life and you kind of have to say, you know, best of luck with that.

You come from quite...

puritanical, kind of Calvinist.

Okay.

I've seen you say your parents had a sceptical view of pleasure.

In some ways I am, for sure.

The Christmas party.

When you're in a position of authority or in your position of leadership and all the rest of it, I don't think you can be down there hugging the Christmas tree like the other...

And so I used to actually, as a boundary, just avoid that experience.

But again, I don't think we can compartmentalise ourselves, nor should we.

And so we come in to work as Richard Hogan, married, three kids, you know, and you come in here and you come in with all the rest of it, right?

So you're the transitional generation.

And so that's kind of who we are.