Brian Koppelman

And so we go through it all together, all this stuff.

Except Dave's a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt and I'm...

That's always been the case.

Even before he had the black belt, he was better than me in a fight.

But luckily we never fight.

And I always had him to get my back.

We were so excited to be able to work with Steven Soderbergh on that script.

And the opportunity is what we wanted.

I remember seeing Ocean's Eleven and

the theater with Amy and my wife and, and, and feeling like, gosh, I wish I would've gotten a phone call to get the chance to convince somebody that they should let us write that script, David and me.

And so when we got the call that we could get in a room and pitch Steve and a

talk to him about the movie and maybe get a chance to write it, Ocean's 13.

That was the moment because I thought it was an incredible long shot.

I could feel an instinct that I'm going to, the fear of putting in a ton of work, really thinking about that movie and really thinking about

Sort of all the things required to make an incredibly compelling case as to why we should write it.

Yeah.

It was an incredible amount of really hard work and difficult thinking.

And watching a lot of movies as references, reading a lot of nonfiction books...

Way more than you would think to understand the way casinos work, to understand the history of cons, like con artists, not just in the movies, but in real life.

And there was this instinct to go have a meeting because we knew it was a long shot.