Bridget Armstrong

But I don't know what conclusions she's come to.

But I...

I do think she is not actually sorry.

And so that then made me think, why would she do this docuseries?

Like, if you don't have anything new to say.

But I think the tease we got at the end is the answer.

Tyra has something to promote.

And when she said season 25 coming soon, I said, oh, okay, that's why.

Because I do think Tyra...

has a really unique understanding of what entertains audiences and what keeps the conversation going.

I was like, maybe Tyra does get that, like, what she's saying is bullshit and it's not a real apology and she's not accountable.

And maybe she knows that's going to keep sparking conversation, right?

Like, she knows that makes people angry.

She knows we're going to talk about it even more.

upsetting and harmful stereotypes absolutely I think it really gets at the crux of Tyra's complicated legacy early last year so when we were just starting on production on the podcast Tyra got an award from Essence from Essence magazine and it was like a luminary award and she gave this speech and

She talked about how she had to fight for diversity on A&TM, right?

When people did not think that the girl from the hood could be a model, right?

When people didn't think that plus size models could be supermodels, right?

And what is that?

And Tyra actually, she refers to that also in the Netflix doc, Ken Mock does too.