Brittany Luce

boosted goods, let's say.

On the low.

On the DL, exactly.

Yeah.

Just to make sure we're on the same page, it sounds to me like being DL is distinct from being discreet.

Or closeted, yeah.

Hmm.

Got it.

So just to, again, make sure we're on the same page, DL men might have sex with other men, but do not identify as gay.

Why did that distinction of having sex with men but not being gay, why did that matter to people?

Which was proven to be a large misconception.

It's not true that DL men were responsible for the high HIV rates in Black women.

And if you want to know more about that, you can actually check out an episode we just did about safer sex.

But back to this Oprah episode.

This came out in 2004, and I started college at HBCU in Washington, D.C.

in 2005.

Truly, that framing...

from that one episode of Oprah and the way that it started a million barbershop and beauty salon conversations, you know, being a young black woman and HBCU in Washington, DC, where at that time the HIV transmission rates were of the highest in the country.

And there was especially concerned about the diagnosis rates and transmission rates for black women who had sex with men.

And so, you know, at that time I could tell that among my classmates and the girls in my dorm, there was a lot of panic, not so much about the actual, perhaps unprotected sex that they were having with the guys in their life, but more so about like the imagined