Bruce Straley

We see all these people leave the AAA, starting a studio, and then they'll do the, we're 20 people, but we're still going to make a AAA game.

That never works out.

That studio closes.

Because you don't get to come out and do those small games that build up.

We talk about Supergiant.

You talk about Hades.

I've been in love with them since Bastion.

Yeah.

And that's the kind of thing you find those smaller games from those small studios that people flock to that build a fan of the brand.

It's almost, I would think, to a degree of how Naughty Dog was with Jack, where it was like you'd find these games that would bring you to it.

And then suddenly that brand starts to mean more and more.

And so I mean, to pull back the curtain and I've talked about it, you jumped in like one of the worst times to jump in, try to get funding.

Right.

Because it was all of a sudden where it was like, yo, I remember the dice conversations, you know, survive till 25, 25.

We're like, nobody's giving out money.

This PlayStation program is going away.

Xbox Game Pass is not going giving the deals they were giving two years ago.

You're killing it.

No, I think this is why you're here again.

We come out when we talk.