Burke Holland

Right.

Like these folks aren't wrong.

They're really pushing back and saying, like, this is a bad idea.

I don't think this is good.

And a lot of these folks are craftsmen.

Right.

Like they have a lot of pride and they're extremely good at what they do.

But I.

I do think that at this point, it's kind of like trying to hold back the water.

Like you're trying to, you are trying to be the dam.

Yeah.

Like it's just, and so for those folks, first of all, you always need people to tell you that you're doing it wrong or that this is wrong.

You need these people on literally every issue you can think of.

If you don't have someone questioning it and saying we should not be doing this, something is wrong.

So I think that it's healthy to have that.

But I do think that the inertia and the momentum here is these folks are, and I've seen a lot of them come around to where they say, like I was just talking to, who was it?

Ryan Florence, who did React Router on Twitter last night.

He said, I have not written a line of code in a month and a half.

And I had responded and just said, I see more and more of this.

I haven't written a line of code in quite some time.