C. Thi Nguyen

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3,183 appearances 5 recordings 5 series first heard Jan 2026 last heard 7 Jul

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And I kind of think that we have all become some kind of pickup artist in some era of our life.

It's funny because, I mean, everyone, the ones you're talking about social media and...

nutrition are the most common ones I hear.

But what I often hear are really technical and arcane stories about someone who went... The problem is that a lot of the metrics are very specific.

So what I hear often is, oh, I went into education policy because I cared about people.

And then I realized for the last 10 years, I've been chasing this outcome that just has become completely disconnected.

from the thing we care about.

I hear this, it's funny, every time I talk to somebody and I tell them about this, they're like, oh my God,

We have the worst one in our profession.

What doctors tell me about is the big measure for them is basically number of patients seen and moving people through quickly.

And I think you can quickly see that that's very easy to measure and runs against all kinds of human interaction and kind of care.

I know so many doctors who've said, like, the...

the burden of the measure of the speed measure has just like obliterated everything they wanted

out of their medical career, which is to actually connect to human beings.

This is a lesson from James Scott in Seeing Like a State, one of the inspirations of this book.

Have you read that book?

You should absolutely read that book.

It's about how large-scale states – and he defines states as any kind of large bureaucratic institution.

So it means governments and corporations.

He thinks that they can only –

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