Carlos Chiriboga

But yeah, so that's Mark Watney.

Now Artemis, also known as Andy Weir's other book, the main character is a 26-year-old Saudi woman who grew up on the moon.

So obviously that's just like me.

But jokes aside, she really is just like me because she has all the character flaws that I had when I was her age.

I gave her kind of more of the darker side of my personality.

You know, when I was 26, just like Jazz, I was ostensibly very intelligent, yet still managing to make really bad life choices.

Yeah.

Like, most of my problems were self-inflicted.

Like, I just, like, I was my— Deeply relatable.

Yeah, I was my own worst enemy.

So, although you may not think it when you look at a 26-year-old Saudi woman who grew up on the moon, she is also a self-insertion character.

Ryland was the first time I sat down and I said, like, okay, for once, I'm not just going to base a character on myself.

I'm going to make a new character out of whole cloth.

So I made him, like, I'm a bit of a Pollyanna, but I wouldn't consider myself overly innocent, right?

I wouldn't consider myself naive.

And Ryland is a little bit naive.

And he's also not super brave.

And he's also, like, you know, he's got his flaws.

And so I created that character out of whole cloth.

So that's the first time I...