Cas Holman

So an audience screaming, it's a man, it's a woman.

I passed.

Meaning?

They thought I was a man.

And also, it was just a testament to how dumb gender is or how dumb needing to know is.

Because they had a bunch of kind of misfits, butches and male presenting trans people.

And then I was like kind of drag king, but also gender schmender.

And then they had these guys.

They can best describe them as really sweet gay boys who were drag performers, but their drag was as women.

So they would kind of make them look like women and then put a mustache on them.

In order to try to trick the audience into thinking that they were gay.

The whole thing was just like.

I mean, while we were there, we were like, what is happening?

It was one of their higher grossing shows or bigger audience shows.

So we spent three days getting costumes and they took us shopping to put us in gowns because in the end we were supposed to be exposed for what we really were.

So 90s.

Oh, my God.

That was a whole experience.

Okay.

And maybe it led up to reality TV in a way, right?