Casey Campion

And the thing that really kind of upsets me, I think, about the SEMA conversation is it is so reductive to her as an artist that her body has to keep coming part into it.

Not only is she a pop artist, she is literally a rock and roll star.

She is on the stage, rolling around, throwing her body about the place.

She is kind of, she's an energy force.

So that is the most intensive workout that anybody can do.

She is peak fitness because she can sing on top of this, entertain people for two to three hours.

And, you know, it's just such a pity that we're saying, oh, well, her body doesn't look like Olivia Dean.

You know, poor Olivia Dean.

She probably has her own things going on.

But I just think it's just so reductive and it's so unfair that she has to put out Instagram posts addressing this.

when she should be out writing another I wrote novella winning album.

Yeah, it's like I do not subscribe to influencer culture or anything like that.

Like if I follow anyone who's an influencer, it's just because I might know them or I've worked with them or something like that.

I don't go to it.

But this world comes onto your online feed anyway.

Whether it's someone who was at the VIP awards that Elaine was talking about or whether it's someone winning Oscars or Grammys.

you see it on your feed that there are, like we should not be able to see people's hip bones and we should not be able to see people's clavicles.

Like this, that is, I think Elaine was saying that we are seeing people who are malnourished and we judge ourselves based on what we see around us.

And if more and more people are dropping weight very, very drastically and doing so in unhealthy ways, and as Rob addressed, if they're not looking after the psychological side of things, if they're not looking after their actual health side of things,

so much more can go wrong.