Cassie Kozyrkov

No, I was already a brat.

I was already a brat.

I'll tell you at the University of Chicago.

No, I'll tell you what happened at the University of Chicago.

Yeah, we didn't have this conversation beforehand.

This is 18-year-old me.

This is more than half my life ago, for those who are wondering whether I have a good dermatologist.

So I became convinced that if I could just give myself a little bit of an edge, just a little bit of an edge on the decisions that I make,

And I think of it as return on decision effort.

Either I can get better quality for the same effort or the same quality for less effort.

Return on effort, that's what I'm maximizing here.

We had a conversation where you said, talk about yourself.

And I went, I'm South African.

I don't like to talk about myself.

And you went, no, talk about yourself.

But how much does she actually like to talk about herself?

Yeah, so there I am realizing that if you...

If you get better at decision-making, that compounds over time.

I mean, think about taking a long trip, like to the moon.

Did you do you talk about going to the moon?