Chantal Hebert

But by the same token and in the reverse, treating the Alberta separation movement as just a bunch of clowns that should be dismissed is also terribly counterproductive.

And you've seen it in action when Toronto voted for a mayor called Ford.

What did the established voices of Toronto do during that municipal campaign?

They basically said, this guy has a clown.

Only dumb people vote for clowns.

What happened?

So if you want to bolster the separation forces, just dismiss the people who are trying to get this question on the ballot as a bunch of hicks who do know nothing.

And it will get you to a higher percentage of people who want to vote yes.

And it's a bit more complicated than that.

Yeah, but it does involve you becoming a co-owner of maybe of another pipeline.

And at that point, other Canadians will have some thoughts about that.

I've read the reviews of that speech to a very, or what should have been a very friendly crowd.

And the words that keep coming back was flat, mood, all, except anything but buoyant, less attendance than usual, less of everything than in previous years.

And that

buoyancy was always present, even when the Conservatives were in opposition in the past.

But there was no feeling to that.

And I talked about this argument that the Liberals want Pierre Poilievre to change, that he put to this room.

And I thought, no, it's the people in this room who would have liked you to change.

It's not the liberals.

And what you're telling them is basically, not only am I not going anywhere, but I'm not going to change.