Charles Duhigg

And you're exactly right.

Like, look, the indivisible group in New Orleans probably won't change what's going to happen, you know, later this year in midterms.

But if they start working, they could change what happens in 2028.

They could certainly change.

what happens in elections after 2028.

This is a long-term strategy, and it's about building this local support.

And there are groups that are doing this.

There's a group called Down Home North Carolina, another one called Hoosier Action.

So when you look at what's happening in Minnesota, right,

One of the reasons it's been so successful is because there's a group named Isaiah that's been organizing for over a decade there.

And they're a big tent group.

They bring in people from East Africa, child care centers, farmers, college students.

It's a big tent.

And one of the things that they say, the organizer actually told me this, the person who used to run it, is that they don't take a position on things like abortion or trans rights.

What they care about is they care about the issues that matter to their members.

Things like, can I get Narcan for my relative who's on opioids?

When it's too cold or too hot, how do I get to a safety center that will take care of me?

It was that building, that long-term local organizing that made what happened recently against ICE so successful.

No one in history has ever said, I'm going to that college Republican meeting tonight because I want to find someone to hook up with.

Right?