Charles Homans

on Epstein while he was in jail was his lawyers.

His lawyers were visiting him for hours every day at the jail.

You know, he's now been in this very isolated unit in the jail for a number of days.

And, you know, he says things to his lawyers like, I can't do this.

And he's often writing notes to himself on a legal pad.

And in these conversations, in these notes, he's conveying sort of fragments of his state of mind, which really does seem to be getting worse.

In the notes, he's talking about things like just the noise in the unit where he's being held.

He writes, no sleep, no air, screams.

He's conveying that this is a really miserable experience.

So on July 23rd, several days after his bail is denied, around 1.30 in the morning, the guards hear this banging coming from Epstein's cell.

And they arrive and they see Tartaglione is yelling at the door.

And inside, Epstein is on the floor, motionless, with this orange noose around his neck.

Right.

And at the time, it's a little unclear.

Going through the documentation of this incident, we saw a lot of genuine uncertainty on the part of the jail staff about what actually happened here.

Because nobody saw it.

And Tartaglione and Epstein tell very different stories about this incident.

From the beginning, Tartaglione says that Epstein tried to kill himself.

Tartaglione was sleeping on the floor of their cell when he feels something bump into his feet.

And he looks up and he sees Epstein unconscious in this sitting position with a noose around his neck, hanging from their bunk, and cuts him down and yells for the guards.