Charlie Mackesy

I'm just a sort of stumbling, fumbling, semi-introverted person who still is winging it.

But I think we're learning from each other, and the more we can talk about it, the more we'll learn.

I don't know much, Paul.

There you go.

I think that's the key to everything is connection, communication.

putting your hand up going, this is me.

Why are we?

By the way, I don't mean to get all heavy.

No.

I don't mean to, Paul.

That moment, okay, so when I was picking the tea, plucking tea is difficult.

Like, I earned one cent, literally.

Everyone else is making $2 a day, which is not much.

but and i remember this guy john who was trying to teach me to pluck and he was laughing at me because you know he was the the elegance elegance of his movements was just like like a machine and they were they were laughing at me and there was one time at lunchtime when everyone we were laughing and

John, I remember John stopping, like he was just looking at me.

You know, you get to the moment where there's this strange pause and he was nodding and I was like, what?

He said, you're just the same, aren't you?

And I said, yeah.

He said, we're just the same.

We're all just the same.