Charlie Mackesy

Which is why it shocked me when my friend said, is Charlie here today or isn't he?

I'm like...

Oh, I wasn't aware that I'm sometimes not.

People sort of say, or used to say to me, your attention span is terrible, and yet you manage to do all these drawings.

You've got to have real attention to do them.

And I think I realize that the things we can do when we struggle with attention issues that hold us

that so absorb us that we, and it's a place that I, with drawings, I can just disappear into, and I can just, and there's something about, you know, I've got this iPad here where I can scribble on.

So I have this, and this, I normally draw with ink, but for the sake of argument, I can make marks, and I can similarly do,

sometimes if i'm on the phone um i find myself drawing um the boy you know on a branch without even realizing what i without thinking what i'm really doing you know it just the boy just just comes out comes or you know or i'll be thinking about um

talking about what I'm doing in the morning or someone's talking to me and I'll be listening, but this comes out.

Oh, yeah, there's the horse.

Do you see what I'm saying?

But the lines keep me focused.

The lines are actually... Making the marks.

Okay.

It's something about making marks that calms me down.

Yeah.

Okay.

Oh, yeah.

You know, it varies.