Charlie Puth

like putting up a front for the rest of my life.

Like how am I going to have a successful life outside of music?

Not that I've always,

necessarily put up a complete front there's just i just feel like there's been a brick wall between me and and casual listeners of me where it turns out that we might actually have a lot in common people around the world do you feel like the real fans got to know you too though because you just said that brick wall between you and the casual listeners what about like the like the diehard charlie fans

The diehard fans, which I'm very lucky to even say that I have, they got to know me, but they forced their way in because I didn't always make it easy for them.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I named my album after you.

Whatever's clever.

Yeah.

It's not behind the wall.

That's very nice of you.

That's exactly why I called it that.

I actually don't even consider, I mean, you've heard the songs.

I don't really even consider them to be too clever.

There's no sound effects in them that are the title of the songs.

They're more real.

And I think by me naming the album Whatever's Clever, it's kind of me putting that into a little bottle and throwing it into the...

nearby ocean kind of waving goodbye to that former way of thinking not to get too woo woo with it but I needed to get here and now I am here definitely and in order to get to where you are in the story I feel like it would help a lot of creatives to go back in time to a lot of the older songs to understand we have to go back in time

You're a very good interviewer, by the way.