Chris Christie

I think that it's being blamed on political actors on the other side of this, John, who who are using it for their own political purposes. Let's be honest. There are people who, on the Democratic side of this, who will do it to try to make themselves look more caring to the minority community, more in touch with the minority community. And I think that their motivations are craven in that regard.

I think that it's being blamed on political actors on the other side of this, John, who who are using it for their own political purposes. Let's be honest. There are people who, on the Democratic side of this, who will do it to try to make themselves look more caring to the minority community, more in touch with the minority community. And I think that their motivations are craven in that regard.

Not everybody, but I think a lot of them.

Not everybody, but I think a lot of them.

No, I think Donald Trump thought it was a cool slogan that would respond to what people were feeling both when he ran in 2016 and when he ran in 2024, which was they were at that moment dissatisfied with the status quo. So if you can tie into that politically, rhetorically and say, I'm going to make America great again. It does two things. It tells people, I agree with you, it's not great now.

No, I think Donald Trump thought it was a cool slogan that would respond to what people were feeling both when he ran in 2016 and when he ran in 2024, which was they were at that moment dissatisfied with the status quo. So if you can tie into that politically, rhetorically and say, I'm going to make America great again. It does two things. It tells people, I agree with you, it's not great now.

And two, I'm the guy who can make it great like you remember it. And many Americans are going to have different feelings about when it was great and what made it great. The classic marketing tool of Donald Trump on this was, it can mean whatever you want it to mean, John. Mm-hmm. And so people think Donald Trump has a vision.

And two, I'm the guy who can make it great like you remember it. And many Americans are going to have different feelings about when it was great and what made it great. The classic marketing tool of Donald Trump on this was, it can mean whatever you want it to mean, John. Mm-hmm. And so people think Donald Trump has a vision.

The fact that you would assume that Donald Trump knows any American history is startling to me, John, because he doesn't. I honestly don't think you're giving him enough credit. I think... No, you're wrong. Okay. I've known him a lot longer and a lot closer than you have. No, I don't know him at all. And John, I am telling you, he doesn't know.

The fact that you would assume that Donald Trump knows any American history is startling to me, John, because he doesn't. I honestly don't think you're giving him enough credit. I think... No, you're wrong. Okay. I've known him a lot longer and a lot closer than you have. No, I don't know him at all. And John, I am telling you, he doesn't know.

I could give a lot of examples of how he messes up American history. All right, all right. We'll talk about him for a second. He took me to the Lincoln bedroom one time and he pointed to the desk in the Lincoln bedroom and he said, that's where Lincoln wrote the Gettysburg Address. Now, anybody...

I could give a lot of examples of how he messes up American history. All right, all right. We'll talk about him for a second. He took me to the Lincoln bedroom one time and he pointed to the desk in the Lincoln bedroom and he said, that's where Lincoln wrote the Gettysburg Address. Now, anybody...

who has read the history of the Gettysburg Address knows that Lincoln wrote the Gettysburg Address on the train on the way to Gettysburg. I guess that was why it's so short. Yeah, exactly right. It's a short train ride. What he did at the desk was sign the Emancipation Proclamation. And I said to the then president, now president, I said, no, no, no, no, no.

who has read the history of the Gettysburg Address knows that Lincoln wrote the Gettysburg Address on the train on the way to Gettysburg. I guess that was why it's so short. Yeah, exactly right. It's a short train ride. What he did at the desk was sign the Emancipation Proclamation. And I said to the then president, now president, I said, no, no, no, no, no.

It was the Emancipation Proclamation there. He wrote the speech on the way to Gettysburg. And he looked at me, said, Chris, you really going to correct me on this? I'm the president. I live here. So I have to tell you, John, I think you're giving him too much credit. But let me say there's a difference, I think, between Make America Great Again and America First.

It was the Emancipation Proclamation there. He wrote the speech on the way to Gettysburg. And he looked at me, said, Chris, you really going to correct me on this? I'm the president. I live here. So I have to tell you, John, I think you're giving him too much credit. But let me say there's a difference, I think, between Make America Great Again and America First.

And what I used to say in the campaign was, America First, I want everybody to raise their hands here who believes in America Fourth. Put them up. Right, right, right. America Fourth. Yeah. Well, it's one of those things that goes without saying, in my mind. Exactly, right? So these are things that are inoffensive when you look at them literally.

And what I used to say in the campaign was, America First, I want everybody to raise their hands here who believes in America Fourth. Put them up. Right, right, right. America Fourth. Yeah. Well, it's one of those things that goes without saying, in my mind. Exactly, right? So these are things that are inoffensive when you look at them literally.

and allows you to then sell to people a couple of things. The people who are there now, it was Obama and Hillary back in 16, it was Biden and Harris in 24. America's not great because of them. America's not first because of them.

and allows you to then sell to people a couple of things. The people who are there now, it was Obama and Hillary back in 16, it was Biden and Harris in 24. America's not great because of them. America's not first because of them.