Chris Duffy

You have such a unique perspective on this because, like you said, you were really one of the first people to bring this into the popular consciousness.

And so you've now seen it be widely accepted.

People across the world are understanding that this is the existential issue of our times, right?

And yet, as you've written about in another book, there hasn't been nearly the kind of change that you would have hoped for or that we would think when people accepted that this is the reality that we would make.

So this is where I sometimes struggle as a person, an individual, is it is such a huge issue.

And it's been pushed on one side by the fossil fuel industry.

And they've made giant systemic efforts to stop change from happening.

Right.

But also one of the more devious things, in my opinion, that they've done is to make it seem as though the solution is each individual person trying to do it all by themselves.

Right.

That it's like, well, if I turn my heat down a little bit and if I switch my car, then that'll solve it all.

Right.

In reality, it also requires huge changes to our economy and to political processes.

This is the thing I struggle with is I know that it's not something that's in my personal power, and yet I don't want to do nothing, of course.

So how do I keep the focus on the systemic part while also not feeling like it's all on me, but not feeling there's nothing on me, if that makes sense.

I struggle to even word the question.

I'm sure the people who are listening right now are bought into the idea that this is important, but maybe are feeling a little bit like, okay, so where do I start?

So what are some, let's say three things that someone who's listening can do to plug into that broader social change and actually make a difference?

I love the phrase experienced Americans.

I think that's a great way to put it.