Chris Fagan

The next year, Hobbs was three, sorry, was 13.

Sardis was four.

You compare that to a Brisbane Lions of now, and you go through the draft hand that they had.

They went through two years of Berry, McCluggage, Bailey, Rayner, Starcevich.

That's what they've brought in, the core of those young guys coming through that set the standard.

Yes, they've brought in the Lockie Neals and the other guys that have come in to help set the standards.

They had the Harris Andrews there from a couple of years beforehand.

But that's the foundation of the football club of why they've had sustained success over a long period of club.

These guys who drafted high...

good people, but understand football and are good players.

You look through what we just spoke about with Essendon.

They realised a couple of years ago that that draft was not going to get them up the ladder.

And look, there's an out there.

There's COVID that happened where you couldn't go through and see...

The quality of the players, you couldn't see them every week because of the inconsistencies of the season over those, of the young kids' season over 20 and 21, which limited their ability for 22, which got with Sardis.

But then they've gone through with the trades, bringing in Mackay, bringing in Goldstein, Gresham, Dersmer, Pryor.

It just seems that they've been confused the whole time.

So, yeah, you sit back and go, he's not had an easy run.

He's had foul draft.

He's had trades where they thought they were going to mix in those senior guys with the draft picks.