Chris Friedberg

And Amazon, where you'd think you'd have a lot...

of growth here, they're out, they peaked at 1.6.

And now they're down at 1.55.

So these companies are not hiring the gains they're talking about publicly in

the deployment of AI are significant and they all have aggressive plans to use automation, specifically in robots and self-driving and obviously knowledge work to reduce headcount, increase profits.

And I think that's going to become the narrative that's going to be very challenging for our industry.

Because if you look at our own companies,

They're saying, wait a second, your companies aren't growing, and my kid got a computer science degree.

If you look at the unemployment level of people graduating with computer science degrees who are developers, it's increasing.

Unemployment amongst developers is increasing, and that's just really notable.

So I wouldn't say I'm a doomerist, but I am concerned that the new jobs might not show up as quickly as the old jobs or the static jobs.

team size trend continues because we've had static team sizes for years now.

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