Chris Grey

Well, first of all, thanks for having me on again, Chris.

It's nice to talk to you again.

As you say, I've been on before and it's great to be back.

Well, gosh, there's an awful lot in there, isn't there, to unpack.

One thing to start with is that you, you know, you sort of began that by talking about Brexit somehow, whether you think this was the sort of the legacy of that.

And

You know, I think it's, as you implied, it's obviously more, you know, more complicated than that.

But I mean, one of the things on the blog that I write is that I've, in the last few months, since last September, I retitled it to be Brexit and Brexitism.

And that's kind of partly trying to sort of capture the idea of

that something has kind of escaped, if you like, from Brexit in this literal meaning of Britain leaving the EU.

And we've got stuff going on, which is in some way, not always very clear and sometimes slightly nebulous, kind of connected back into it.

And yet it is not.

It is not Brexit.

And I think that what you're describing is very much a part of that.

Now, one of the difficulties, there are many, many difficulties with the whole way in which the so-called immigration debate is happening in this country.

And not just in this country, I think it's fair to say, but in this country.

And one of the ways is that there is a conflation of a lot of different kinds of things.

So if we look at these recent, and as you say, you know, really awful events that have happened.

So the Southampton, well, the Southampton murder, the Henry Nowak murder, of course, occurred longer ago, but we had the trial.

And then there was the Belfast stabbings.