Chris Grey

And I think also that the way in which he's almost become this kind of demonized hate figure is kind of is rather disproportionate to any sins or crimes that he may commit.

have committed.

But to me, I think there's no doubt that he has proved himself to be politically maladroit in a number of ways.

And I think the political reputations and images, partly because of the nature of the media age, are set very quickly.

And I kind of think that, for example, that having come into power, really is wanting to sort of say, you know, part of what he was saying was that the Tories, and particularly Boris Johnson, people have been very sort of, you know, rather corrupt and sleazy and all this kind of thing.

And from that point of view, it just seemed

just such a kind of an own goal to be caught out or to be taking donations for your clothes and spectacles.

I mean, it's a ludicrous idea that Starmer was in any way corrupted by having, you know, I don't know, a few thousand pounds worth of clothes paid for by a donor.

But that's not the point.

The point is that having come in making that pit, he just made a mess of that, that very core pitch of his right from the beginning.

And not to mention, you know, there are many other things that we could mention.

The propensity to sort of put forward policies and then to sort of back down on them and all of these kinds of things.

The terrible misjudgment, I think, a very clear misjudgment about Mandelson, you know.

So he's made all kinds of sort of mistakes.

With many of these things, we can see...

a kind of a connection in with Brexit.

And I suppose, for example, in relation to the Mandelson appointment, people say, or some people say at the time, well, the Mandelson, he was appointed.

Why did they appoint him despite his links with Epstein and so on?

This is quite the wrong way around.

He was appointed because he had those kinds of links, not with Epstein per se, but because he floated in that world where Donald Trump floated.