Chris Hayes

Yes. And then it's particularly exacerbated in my case when I was putting out things that I actually didn't think were good for the world. So that's the other side of the same spectrum. That's where it gets even uglier. All right. Last thing, in case Donald Trump shuts down MSNBC, which he's threatening to do, the free speech president, and you have to become a pop psychologist full time.

Do you have any other pop psychology advice for not for minor celebrities, but for humans out there trying to navigate the attention age?

Do you have any other pop psychology advice for not for minor celebrities, but for humans out there trying to navigate the attention age?

Do you have any other pop psychology advice for not for minor celebrities, but for humans out there trying to navigate the attention age?

just me and me just it is watching cleaning carpets while i have my own thoughts does that count or no nothing no no nothing zero yeah no no not even carpet cleaning videos all right boy that's gonna be tough but uh i'll do my best uh chris hayes thanks he also has a podcast i don't know if i mentioned in the beginning why is this happening it's mostly great It's like mostly great.

just me and me just it is watching cleaning carpets while i have my own thoughts does that count or no nothing no no nothing zero yeah no no not even carpet cleaning videos all right boy that's gonna be tough but uh i'll do my best uh chris hayes thanks he also has a podcast i don't know if i mentioned in the beginning why is this happening it's mostly great It's like mostly great.

just me and me just it is watching cleaning carpets while i have my own thoughts does that count or no nothing no no nothing zero yeah no no not even carpet cleaning videos all right boy that's gonna be tough but uh i'll do my best uh chris hayes thanks he also has a podcast i don't know if i mentioned in the beginning why is this happening it's mostly great It's like mostly great.

Like seven out of 10. I'm like, these are awesome. Mostly great. Thank you. And then like two or three, they're like, that's fine. Yeah. Which is pretty, I think that's a pretty good podcast rate. If I was doing seven out of 10 great podcasts, I'd feel really good about it. Why is this happening?

Like seven out of 10. I'm like, these are awesome. Mostly great. Thank you. And then like two or three, they're like, that's fine. Yeah. Which is pretty, I think that's a pretty good podcast rate. If I was doing seven out of 10 great podcasts, I'd feel really good about it. Why is this happening?

Like seven out of 10. I'm like, these are awesome. Mostly great. Thank you. And then like two or three, they're like, that's fine. Yeah. Which is pretty, I think that's a pretty good podcast rate. If I was doing seven out of 10 great podcasts, I'd feel really good about it. Why is this happening?

If people haven't listened to it and the, uh, the book again, the sirens call how attention became the world's most endangered resource. Thanks. Help me. We'll see you on your show. You bet. Up next, Alex Cantrowitz. All right, we are back. He's host of the Big Technology podcast, and he writes Big Technology on Substack. I'm a subscriber. And he formerly covered Silicon Valley for BuzzFeed.

If people haven't listened to it and the, uh, the book again, the sirens call how attention became the world's most endangered resource. Thanks. Help me. We'll see you on your show. You bet. Up next, Alex Cantrowitz. All right, we are back. He's host of the Big Technology podcast, and he writes Big Technology on Substack. I'm a subscriber. And he formerly covered Silicon Valley for BuzzFeed.

If people haven't listened to it and the, uh, the book again, the sirens call how attention became the world's most endangered resource. Thanks. Help me. We'll see you on your show. You bet. Up next, Alex Cantrowitz. All right, we are back. He's host of the Big Technology podcast, and he writes Big Technology on Substack. I'm a subscriber. And he formerly covered Silicon Valley for BuzzFeed.

It's Alex Kantrowitz. What's up, man? Hey, Tim. Great to see you. Good to see you, too. Yeah, I texted you yesterday because... I'm not like as deep in the tech world as I used to be, you know, I'm monitoring your newsletter when I can, but there's other news I've got to pay attention to. Unfortunately, I don't know if you've noticed a lot happening in Washington.

It's Alex Kantrowitz. What's up, man? Hey, Tim. Great to see you. Good to see you, too. Yeah, I texted you yesterday because... I'm not like as deep in the tech world as I used to be, you know, I'm monitoring your newsletter when I can, but there's other news I've got to pay attention to. Unfortunately, I don't know if you've noticed a lot happening in Washington.

It's Alex Kantrowitz. What's up, man? Hey, Tim. Great to see you. Good to see you, too. Yeah, I texted you yesterday because... I'm not like as deep in the tech world as I used to be, you know, I'm monitoring your newsletter when I can, but there's other news I've got to pay attention to. Unfortunately, I don't know if you've noticed a lot happening in Washington.

And so the deep seek thing really kind of blindsided me. It was this new AI application. I guess you're going to explain it in a second. I guess the Chinese hedge fund pushed out, but it had massive market implications. It's going to have massive, I think, geopolitical implications. So I was like, I got to get smart on this and understand what's happening. So I was hoping you could educate me.

And so the deep seek thing really kind of blindsided me. It was this new AI application. I guess you're going to explain it in a second. I guess the Chinese hedge fund pushed out, but it had massive market implications. It's going to have massive, I think, geopolitical implications. So I was like, I got to get smart on this and understand what's happening. So I was hoping you could educate me.

And so the deep seek thing really kind of blindsided me. It was this new AI application. I guess you're going to explain it in a second. I guess the Chinese hedge fund pushed out, but it had massive market implications. It's going to have massive, I think, geopolitical implications. So I was like, I got to get smart on this and understand what's happening. So I was hoping you could educate me.

That seems a lot cheaper. Way cheaper. The question is, is that like, how is that possible? And I saw there's a lot of, you know, conversation I saw online and you can immediately get into conspiracy land, right? Which is like, are the Chinese, are they lying about this? Like, was it actually that much more expensive? Or, you know, were they using like chips, like American chips, right?