Chris Mason

reflect that and so i went to um ashton to do the andy burnham launch and it was all happening in the car park so we just sort of thought we'll just do the whole thing here i'm going to go back next week and do some stuff where i'm properly mooching around in plattebridge and hindley and oral and by the way i've noticed and i'm sure you guys with your focus on the north west of england are acutely aware of this that lots of people are talking about in makerfield because it's a shorthand for the constituency name but actually it's a

You know, a collection of communities of many different names around the south side of Wigan.

And therefore, yesterday, just to complete the thought, Adam, I did an entire piece in a pub.

Yeah, so just as we heard there with Mr Kenyon, it's absolutely right that he is scrutinised.

It's absolutely right that Andy Burnham is scrutinised too.

And, of course, being scrutinised on multiple levels, Mr Burnham, because of this sort of double pitch that he's making, yes, to people in the Mayfield constituency, but then this wider pitch to the Labour Party and therefore to the country around his prime ministerial ambitions.

And therefore, in particular, how he, in just the same way we were...

Looking back at the track record of what Robert Kenyon has said in the past, what about what Andy Burnham has said in the past and the extent to which he stands by that?

Andy Burnham, you said last autumn that the country needed to get beyond this thing of being in hock to the bond markets.

These are the people and the institutions that lend the government money.

Do you accept now what your critics have repeatedly said, that that was cavalier?

No, I have never said ignore the bond markets.

You once said that only a small minority have a problem with trans women, biological men, in women's toilets.

Do you accept the new guidance out this week from the Equalities Watchdog?

It's been backed by ministers that says that single sex spaces must be used on the basis of biological sex.

Those comments were made quite a number of years ago.

Were you a wrong man then?

Completely.

And then that gets to the essence of the challenge that any incoming...

Prime Minister between general elections faces and, you know, let's not get too far ahead of ourselves.