Chris Savage

People would be like, that would be a multi-billion dollar market.

You said it, not me.

I mean, because that is what we thought it was going to be.

And, you know, there was things where there were a lot of stuff we're right about.

I think

one of the things we were very wrong about in the early days was just like the speed that our market would grow.

We thought our market would be like two years giant.

I mean, what we didn't understand was that like, at least for business video, people wanted to be, they were nervous about the brand impact and then they're nervous about getting a camera and then they're nervous with the ROI and all of these things have been like a governor on our market.

So our market's been a very, very good market, but it has taken way longer than people expected.

And you can look at the list of competitors we've had in the past, and many of them were overfunded, actually, and that's why they failed.

Because they tried to get the market, and the market wasn't there.

Then they had a giant team, and they couldn't support it, and so they'd get sold off or whatever.

About 115 people.

No, 2017, we're about 78 people.

Yeah, I can.

So there's the two rounds, there's different returns, but it was around 20 X. Okay.

Yeah, one was a little less than that.

We raised 17.3.

So here's the other interesting thing is that we're getting pressure for liquidity.

People wanted liquidity.