Chris Sharp

It may have been a guy called Robert Cardillo.

in odni where you were working as well tim you were working with an odni under clapper um and a guy called robert cardillo was the one who officially did it under clapper by the way so clapper would have known that it was being blocked as well um which is really really interesting isn't it it's funny how you connect all these pictures this picture you know you know because um

I think you come into a place as a political appointee and you find yourself surrounded by people who are basically working against your agenda and basically saying that we can hold up for the next four years or so until the next guy leaves office.

And we'll just wait out until then.

I think that's a problem that many modern governments face.

But I think it is very, very interesting because, you know, I've done some reporting and I do believe that James Clapper and Stephanie O'Sullivan, when they were up ODNI, they were running a UAP program, which involved kinetic action, taking down UAP and retrieving them.

So I think...

I think maybe from their time, you may find that some people potentially could be involved in that as well from Clapper's time.

Potentially.

Well, that's funny because, you know, they're talking a lot, whereas Arrow aren't talking at all.

I can't get any responses out of Goff at the moment.

So basically, it's like...

Yeah, I don't know if this is true or not.

I believe it is.

For the best, it's coming through.

I can't name them.

But I was offered the possibility to interview John Kozlowski.

Oh, he's someone who knew him personally.

And they told me, yeah, I've approached John.

John said, yeah, yeah, great.