Chris Voss

But on the flip side, the optimists seem to be the ones that actually build stuff these days.

Yeah, somewhere we stopped being eaten by saber-toothed tigers and started building bridges and buildings and computers and companies.

Let me just return briefly to terrorists.

What do you think about the policy of not negotiating with terrorists?

Well, that's not the policy, first of all.

What do you think of that negotiation?

Forget terrorists, but the global negotiation, like with Vladimir Putin, the recent negotiation over prisoners, the exchange, the Brittany Gardner.

Is there a way to do that negotiation successfully?

And she still would have come home.

Yeah, there's some technical aspects of that negotiation.

What do you think is the value, just to linger on it, of meeting in person for the negotiation?

I think it's a great idea.

Can I just follow that tangent along?

There's a war in Ukraine now.

It's been going on over a year.

For me personally, giving my life story is a deeply personal one.

And I'm returning back to that area of the world that was there.

Volodymyr Zelensky said he doesn't want to talk to Vladimir Putin.

Do you think they could get in a room together?

And