Chris Williamson

I'm going to go and do it.

That's the easiest way.

So a model of getting more guys into therapy, bringing across some of the tools, I guess, from coaching and men's work into therapy.

And I've worked with maybe five or six therapists, most of them for a short period and two of them for a long period.

I found myself getting frustrated.

I was about to say as a man, like the fucking, like speaking as a white man from England, I found myself getting frustrated when it only felt like there was reflection and no, okay, and this is what we're going to do about it.

Or this is a...

this is an exercise that you can do in the real world, which is going to expose you to this pattern, or this is a conversation that might be beneficial for you to have, or I want you to note down when you feel this thing come up.

That to me felt like a little bit like homework, but it felt like I was making progress.

Like there was a plan in place and that sort of linear trajectory, right?

That sort of upward trajectory is I think really important to men.

So

yes, this will help to close the Delta.

What I really just need to do is start a fucking dating organization of Modern Wisdom listeners.

Like that would pre-select for so many of the problems that people have.

Like this is what's mad about the live shows, chriswilliamson.live if you're in the UK and Dublin and Northern Ireland.

I know that you're sometimes tetchy about being a part of the UK.

At the live shows, the number of couples that come together and say, we work in different companies, we have different careers, we travel a good bit each day, but we listen to the show.

And then when we come back together on a nighttime, we talk about what's happened in the show.

That is obviously because this wisdom course stuff is a really...