Christian Howes

Yeah, that's interesting.

And I know that there's like, you know,

great thinkers that have articulated the nonviolent like you know like maybe you can't do that in prison like you could in outside of prison maybe it's different i don't know yeah but i i still think it's something that that like you know we carry with us you know and it's and uh

um now maybe i'm doing myself a disservice by maybe i'm nitpicking because because i mean i don't i'm i'm not violent you know obviously but it's just you know it's just trying to kind of find like consistency more consistency of being feeling peaceful and having harmonious

How have you dealt with it, Chris?

Yeah, I mean, I have two children, so my oldest is 28, my youngest is 16.

I think trying to be...

really human with both my kids and trying to have really honest relationships with them.

Um, reading books, getting advice from different parents, but really from all the lessons I've learned from therapy, like I think parenting, uh, that relationship I have with my kids, I see it as just like, I see it as an opportunity to be, um,

to be honest, to be vulnerable with them, to open a door and let them know that they can share anything they want with me.

And I just, I take it as like a huge responsibility that I want to be present in their lives and I want to show up for them in the most loving way that I can and have a close relationship where they feel they can tell me anything.

Yeah.

coming home you know we we got together the siblings were all at the house they all came back from the different places and uh both of our parents brought me in i remember lewis was there and i came in and when we ordered a pizza they all cried you know all of our siblings our four siblings we all we made a sign like welcome home yeah and what was it like for you just like even just getting out for the first time you know it's like

Yeah, it was exhilarating.

It was also... It was a lot of emotions.

It was a big relief.

But it was also like... And I think I've heard Shaka speak about this.

There was a period of years where I've always...

felt like I was worried about being out of place as they say, right?

And you spoke about this too.