Christian Howes

I'm going to do pushups.

I'm going to do meditation.

But then you, I didn't always have the strength to do that.

And I would just lay down.

The entire day.

And I could not get myself up.

I don't know if you ever experienced, but that's how, so, so it doesn't matter if you have time, it's still the same dilemma for a human being.

Like, what are you going to do with your time?

And I think if anything, prison just, it just highlights these lessons for us, you know,

And but since I've been out, which was part of your question, like, how do I escape the prisons that can show up for me, as Shaka says, from grief, trauma, shame, guilt, all these kinds of things?

I will say that it's a we have to keep we have to keep maintaining it.

We need to keep our eyes on that.

And I think there can be times just like in prison where we're up and where things are feeling good and then there can be a downturn.

So I'm 53 now.

I've been out of prison almost 30 years.

And so even now at 53, I'm like, hey, where are we going next?

How do we keep it moving positive?

So the same thing, really, to be honest with you, it's like all the things that you share on your podcast, these are the things that inspire me.

Constantly trying to look for what can I do to feed my body, my knowledge of psychology, my emotional intelligence.

and building healthy relationships.