Christian Rudder
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149 appearances
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first heard May 2025
last heard May 2025
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You have TikTok and like social media is as strong as ever.
Yeah, they just change where they're going. But here people are, when they change what they're doing, they're just like, I'm out. I give up. Yeah, or whatever. I'm just going to meet people at work or like in real life, which is, you know, or through TikTok.
Right.
Or how they want to think that they think. Exactly.
Yeah. And that's very nice to hear because, you know, like publishing that stuff, it feels dicey to be talking about race in a public way. A white dude. It's not like I have any firsthand experience of any of this stuff. And we just decided to put it out there in the world. And we did get feedback from people that were like very grateful that we were just helping maybe put an...
Not a name, but maybe a number to their experience of like, you know, am I... Whatever, my friends are having a different kind of experience than I am on your app. And this helps me understand why. Because it's nothing with me.
It's like this... It's the people who come to the app that bring all of their prejudices or just like this kind of sociological baking that goes on for your entire life about what's attractive and what you should want. And... Yeah, those were my favorite things to work on, for sure. Like looking at how different racial groups message each other, how they rate each other.
So like swipe left, swipe right. What's interesting is it's like that phenomenon, for example, of... black women getting fewer messages than, say, Asian or white women. It's much less a thing outside the United States when you look at the data from other places like the UK.
Yeah, exactly.
And just for your readers' context, or listeners' context, I think it's probably like... 50%, I think, or 60% in the US, the ratio would be of like contacts, I'd say, from black women to white women.
I mean, obviously I have skin in that game, so to speak. It's like I did so much work with it myself. But I do think so because there's no real incentive to lie to the app itself. You want to find somebody that you're actually going to be attracted to. So there's no pose. Like on Twitter or whatever, you can say these things. You can kind of take these very strident stances.
You can make your opinions out to be something maybe a little different than what they really are in practice. Whereas on a dating app, it doesn't really do you any good to... I don't know, just for example, pretend that you're really into Asian men if you're not. Because what happens when you do that?
Well, now you're on a date with a guy that you're not maybe that into and it makes the app work less well for you. Right. So we always felt very good about our data integrity just compared to the other things that people go and do on the internet where everyone's a dog or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I do think dating apps provide an incredible window into people's preferences.
Oh, yeah.
Yes, just all the way down the line.
Exactly, like kind of an important...
extra point on that is like so if you ask women like part of signing up for okcupid and tinder all these things like kind of what is the age range that you're into also right so the app can kind of filter and show you stuff so if you ask women they give you the very sensible answer if you're 30 you're maybe up open to 28 year old guys to 35 year old guys whatever it is some range right and men actually do the same kind of thing they sort of they take their age and they subtract a few years and they add a few years they're like all right cool i'm good with this band
So both men and women answer that question more or less the same way, like, what age are you into, if you ask them that. But then if you look at who they actually go out and message, like you were saying, like, for women, well, they actually know themselves better. They're more honest with themselves. They're more honest with the app. Like, you know, if you're 25, you message 25-year-olds.
If you're a 30-year-old, you message 30-year-olds. But men, yeah, like we were just saying, like, it's all 20-year-olds, even for 50-year-old dudes. Yeah.
I mean, I do think there's something to your point about There's like some enablement of guys going after 20-year-old girls or liking them. It's like fine if you're 40 and you're dating a 25-year-old. I mean, sort of. And I can see why that wouldn't be the case if you flipped the genders. And you can't know everything about love.
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