Chuck Bryant

I know one of the guys was like shot in the stomach and asked to be put out of his misery by his own people, which they did.

So, yeah, it's just I mean, I can't imagine what was going on inside that place.

It's horrific to think.

Yeah, once that fire started, it was pretty quick.

I don't know.

Yeah, and the surviving Davidians say that absolutely did not happen, and it was all framed to look that way.

And then the guy comes on right after and says, well, he's a liar.

So it's definitely one of those things where they're both still digging in.

Yeah, it's pretty awful.

And like you mentioned earlier, no one from the government side was brought up on charges or anything.

The FBI and the Clinton administration was cleared of wrongdoing in 2000.

There was a report in 1993 that was.

They didn't say they did it right.

It was a pretty damning report about the ATF raid, and that became like a teaching moment for any new ATF students coming in there, like, hey, look how bad things can go when you really screw things up.

And the one big result from this was it really inspired and galvanized

The militia movement and right wing anti-government radicals like there's there's video footage of Timothy McVeigh there.

He went to Waco during the 51 day siege and was like selling anti-government bumper stickers and talking about how awful this was.

And then, of course, you know, on the same day, on April 19th, two years later, carried out the Oklahoma City bombing.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, this is less than a year after Ruby Ridge.