Chuck Klosterman

This is why football is what it is.

I'm glad you read that paragraph.

That's a key part of the book, I feel, you know?

I think people in a way cannot escape football in a way they can escape religion.

Now it's become very difficult to escape politics.

But there was a time when you kind of could.

You kind of can't now.

So now it's like football and politics are these things.

And that has its own kind of meaning.

Oh, yeah.

Like, you know, it's like that sort of says it's like the thing that is most associated with the down the plate middle of America is the thing I hate.

So what do I hate?

I think it's the most dangerous political position to have.

I can't imagine someone running for president.

And, like, you know, someone says, like, so the Super Bowl is coming up, sir.

Do you have any rooting interest in this?

And they'd be like, I'm not watching it.

I can't fathom that.

I mean, it is, yeah, you know, this has been a great conversation, really fun.

But what's interesting is I think that we fundamentally agree, but we have a key difference, which I think that you are outward looking and I am inward looking.