Chuck Todd

He had been a fierce advocate and still is a fierce advocate for veterans.

And when it appears the VA is not giving giving our returning soldiers the care and attention that they need.

And he hosts a terrific podcast, Independence, that's focused really on, as he calls himself, the angry middle, or he wants to be representative of the angry middle.

As you know, that's sort of, I think of politics from the middle out.

I call myself an incrementalist.

Paul calls himself an independent, representing the angry middle.

So that's going to be a lion's share of our conversation.

We did a Home and Away.

I was in his podcast earlier this month.

So I appreciate him returning the favor to me, Mr. Rykoff.

Good to see you, man.

I mean, well, you know, I maybe even pocketed a couple of bucks, a very conventional wisdom Super Bowl.

It sort of went exactly like every expert said it would go.

Well, this is why I've always been a –

such a huge advocate of football, almost more so than every other team sport, because, you know, you really have to row in the same direction.

You have to have 11 guys doing their job.

You cannot, you can, you can have a basketball team where four guys slack off.

You can have a baseball team where there are a few guys slack off.

You cannot have it in football.

And it's just, it is such an important life skill.