Chuck Todd

And this is, I think, the challenge.

You know, this continues to be the challenge of tapping into this on what on paper looks like an incredible group to tap into.

And yet the problem when you take this 40 plus percent that self-identify as not either party.

Right.

They say, no, I'm independent.

I'm really not comfortable with either party.

Obviously, when you push, you can figure out, oh, culturally, they lean this way and culturally they lean that way and all of that.

It is hard to find a unifying set of issues for this independent movement.

This is what I've what you what becomes the flaw in the ointment here.

Right.

What seems like a no brainer on paper.

Look, people pick independence for a reason.

Right.

Bernie Sanders is independent.

Well, he's not comfortable being with either major party, but he's obviously ideologically wants something a little bit different.

But there are a lot of people who call themselves independent, but are decidedly either, you know, sort of conservative libertarians or progressive independents.

It's not an ideology.

Let's not pretend he was anything other than sort of a celebrity.

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