Cian Tracey

They did get over it earlier on, like early on, didn't they?

And if Jack Coleman's try was allowed, it could be very different.

So maybe their game plan was actually spot on.

Yeah, like my sense of it, and again, having watched it back was, and I'm glad Ian mentioned James Gibson Park, because I think there was a pair of them in it.

And like the previous game against England, we were all rightly lauding Gibson Park for how well he managed the game.

I didn't think he managed the game all that well against Wales.

And if you look at the way Ireland play since Johnny Sexton has retired, so much now more than ever goes through the scrum half.

Like you look at the way they exit, particularly when James Lowe isn't playing as well.

It's Gibson Park who's taken that responsibility on himself.

So I think if we're going to credit Gibson Park one week for how well he played in Twickenham, I think it's fair to say he didn't quite manage the game that well against Wales either.

So I absolutely wouldn't pin it at all.

I'm not saying either of you guys are at all, but I wouldn't be pinning all the blame on Jack Crowley whatsoever.

Okay.

yeah a bit of a mystery there as to why you wouldn't make it easier on yourself yeah like isn't the point like and it's it's the same for anything in life just because one technique works for someone doesn't mean that it's going to work for another person and it sounds like Mads maybe you had to go through that journey to figure out what exactly worked for you and I would say

If I'm Jack Crowley and Johnny Sexton, who he did grow up idolising and now he's his coach, and Dave Allred, who is this kicking guru, if they're telling me to do one thing, I would say it takes a bit of balls to say, actually, you know what, this isn't really working for me and I'm going to try and find my own way.

And I would say that's a pressurised situation for still a relatively young inexperienced out half to be in.

Joe, as someone who once used a set of blades and who also got a kicking lesson off Dave Allred once upon a time, I can vouch that it is very hard for the average layman as well.

Sorry, the kicking lesson was part of the media day, I should clarify, not some rugby career that I had in the past.

But Mads, I'd like to get your thoughts on

his setup in terms of the shot clock as well like he timed out on a kick uh against cast uh for munster back in january and very nearly timed out on one that he actually got and we're seeing that as well at the moment that he's letting the shot clock run down to like the final second like is that putting more pressure on him is that part of his routine not quite being in flow