Claire Stephens

It is kind of the first time she's positioning herself as a bit of, because she is in this partnership with somebody, Kyle Sanderlands, who is known to be absolute shock jock, says awful things about women.

And she's kind of clearly trying to separate herself from that.

And then an in-studio argument between Kyle and Jackie O seemed to have happened in May 2025, but it was a similar conversation where Sanderlands was criticising Jackie's

work habits and she stormed out.

And he kind of made fun of like, are you sure you're the full quid?

Like it's basically, is there much going on up there?

So there had been these little scandals that have sort of been going on for the past year.

So I feel like it's been building.

Because that's what was interesting, listening to this exchange that clearly upset her and he's taking a dig at her work ethic and how she's become obsessed with astrology and it's derailing the show.

As a listener, you're thinking, derailing the show?

Dude, do you know how many times you have had advertisers pull out of the show, have had us cautioned and warned

warned and suspended and got us in massive hot water.

And she sat there and warned it.

It is really relatable because when you have that friend who's gone down that rabbit hole, it's the sort of thing where it's so interesting to them and it's so boring to everyone else because you don't understand any of, like, a birth chart in your head.

You're like, yeah, but that's absolute bullshit.

It's made up.

There's no such thing.

Like, you're thinking that.

Yeah, it really is.

And I wonder, the other thing I kind of think I heard when I was listening to this, Jackie has, in terms of her brand, gone through a bit of a metamorphosis over the last couple of years coming out about this addiction that nobody had any idea about being incredibly vulnerable about how she was showing up to work and...