Claire Stevens

Yes, with the implicit kind of suggestion that they'll advertise it.

And I'm imagining that because it's happening in Bali, it's...

less strict with kind of actually flagging that it's an ad in the way that Australia has very strict standards about that.

And that obviously offers... That brings up a whole lot of other ethical concerns because can you be honest about...

you know, what the quality of medical care was like, whether, you know, you felt safe and supported and whether you got everything you needed in your recovery.

Like, you're going to be a little bit more conservative in sharing that if you got the procedure for free.

It's not going to be an objective view.

Exactly, exactly.

So there are so many.

It is just a can of worms.

But, Holly, how do you feel about reconfirmation?

Well, I feel like.

The Marilyn Manson rumour was always that he got the rib removed so that he could give himself a blowjob.

Yeah, it's kind of planting the seed.

And I guess even if it was the case that there were certain very, very high-profile people who had bodies that felt completely unattainable, right?

Like you look at Dita Von Teese and you're like, okay, she's got that body and it's singular.

Yes, exactly.

With his fun little party trick.

But you look at that and...

And I think influences then getting this surgery and normalising it in the sense that here I am in Bali, I'm going to get this surgery and I'm going to show you my decision-making process, all of that.