Claire Wasserman
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537 appearances
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1 series
first heard Jan 2025
last heard Jan 2025
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And by the way, in your case, right, you may not want to come out and say, I want to like leave or I want to like move into a different position. I mean, maybe you do feel comfortable saying that, but you might want to navigate kind of carefully here, right? We don't want this getting back to your boss or they don't want to lose you. So instead, it's really more about
First of all, I've been very, I love what I do. I'm really inspired by the path. Like you start with, here's why I love what I do or like the positive aspects of what you do and what you've learned. And then you say a specific part of what you've either observed about yourself, about the company, about the industry that intrigues you.
Like I've noticed in my time here or in, you know, networking or doing research, whatever, connecting with this client. I really am interested in the X, Y, and Z. I know that that's something that you focus on or have been part of your story. I'm really curious.
And then you can figure out your next question, but usually it boils down to like, what is one thing that you feel like was such a necessary lesson for you to either get to this place or to have overcome this challenge or have excelled in this area, whatever it is, right? People love talking about themselves, but you're not getting, you're not starting too granular.
Like you're starting specific enough. You're giving context to why you're asking. You're making it positive. You're tying it to the other person, right? Here's why I admire you, but you're not saying, well, How did you, and it's so specific that like it kind of ends the conversation. We want to see where it goes.
And so by teeing them up by like the biggest lesson you learned in tackling this thing or whatever it is, it is probably a nice way to begin. And then you can see by the end of the conversation, if you want to be a little bit more transparent, like I'm feeling the itch to grow, you know, to grow my responsibilities, to grow my skills and hey, grow my paycheck.
This is the area I think I want to focus in, but I'm also aware that you don't know what you don't know. And this is when maybe you say to them, what questions do you think I should be asking? What questions do you think I should be asking? Or what have I not asked you that if you were me, you would do? And this is also another line to say, if you were in my position, what would you do?
Maybe not, that doesn't quite make sense for this interaction you're having with the person that you wanna talk to. But in general, when we say, if you were in my shoes, how would you be approaching this? Or like, how would you be thinking about this? It literally is kind of enforcing empathy on them. Now they are like you and you are like them.
And when we establish that kind of empathy, we are establishing a deeper connection. And when people see themselves in each other, they naturally want to help one another. So you never have to feel like, I'm bothering them or, you know, there's nothing you have to do. You just have to be. You just have to be smart. You have to be curious. And then you have to follow up. That's the big one.
Afterwards, obviously thanking them. But this is really, really strategic. Send them a line that they mentioned or a note that you took that really stood out to you. It struck me when you said... And just write that. That shows that you were paying attention. Because like I mentioned before of, hey, only 20 minutes of your time, right? Demonstrating that you respect their time.
Respecting somebody's time is respecting their life, okay? It's respecting their presence. All we have is our time, really, and energy. When you say this thing you mentioned, it really struck me. Hey, I was listening. That shows even another level of respect. And then keep them updated. It doesn't have to be in a week or two weeks, just a month or once every quarter.
Hey, I made progress in this way. It doesn't have to be a big update. It's really more of a, I'm still thinking of you and I wanted to thank you again. I just blathered on for quite a bit there. So tell me, Jay, thoughts, feelings, next steps that you can envision.
Yeah. And always, you know, what can I do for another person? Always put it through the lens of that won't take me much time, you know, or that's like easy for me to do.
The other thing to be on the lookout for as you start having conversations with her, and by the way, if it feels appropriate at the end to say, is there anyone that you really admire or you've really learned from that you think I could learn from? And that might be, you know, she may recommend a book or a person.
The best thing would be actually if she connected you with another person, and she probably will because you'll have teetered up quite nicely for it. But what you want to do in these conversations is to figure out Is there growth in this area? And that's why I'm having you on today's podcast, which, you know, technically the filter is money, right? Like money rehab is the podcast.
And today we talked a little bit about salary negotiation, but it was more about work and upward trajectory because that equals money. I want to know, though, what's the ceiling on how much you can make? Right. There's a reason, many reasons that a wage gap exists.
And one of them is a lot of times women are just not in roles that are highly compensated and or they are on career paths that there's just a ceiling on it. Like they're even if they get to the top, like it just is never going to be compensated the way they want. So we've got some decisions that we have to make. Not today. You're not ready for it. You're just gathering information right now.
But as you do that, I want you to know What's the runway on this kind of position, right? Like who's getting promoted? How long does it take to get promoted? You know, what does it look like to get to the top? What does it mean to get to the top? What are the paychecks associated? Also, is this an industry or a role that isn't growing? Are these jobs starting to be outsourced to AI?
If so, does that mean you don't go down that path? Not necessarily. Maybe you become the person who's really fluent in AI, right? Like you have your skillset and now you're the person who can say, I'm like a Swiss army knife, right? I got X, Y, and Z other skillsets. You know, and this is part of the information gathering process. How do I make a roadmap out of it?
Like, because at the end of it, you're going to have all these conversations and hopefully they leave you with more clarity than confusion. But you'll say, all right, I have an area I think I want to go in, whether it's an industry, a department or a role. Great. You're not ready to make the decision yet. Okay. What does the top look like?
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