Clare Stephens

And what's interesting is how quickly the men very slowly back down from all their proclamations as soon as the woman is next to them.

And in every instance...

the man then tries, there's a whole blow-up because the man then tries to get the woman to stop being on camera and stop talking because they can tell that it's messing.

Exactly.

Louis since has done several interviews and his takeaway is very interesting and matches my own, which is that despite how sickening these views are and how shocking these men are, there are a few tiny little snippets of hope to be taken from the documentary.

Holly, you watched the documentary with Brent.

I did.

What did you take away from it?

And you're making money off him.

I think though that that is the power of documentary and the power of him and the fact that he has always just given people enough rope and he's not going in and outwardly condemning them or outwardly even, you know, being super adversarial, I think that is actually stronger because it allows us to really see what's beneath it and when we saw what was beneath it,

It wasn't as scary as I thought because they backed down really quickly.

But I think that he is a great lens to see that because I think that the game they're playing is the Donald Trump game.

Oh, very much.

Which is ask me a question and what I'll do is I'll bring up your biggest vulnerability.

Yes.

And I'll make you feel embarrassed.

And so on that podcast when Louis is on it, I think him being there was excellent because I didn't know that this is law in the manosphere.

I would love to know if you've heard this, Amelia.

Did you know that apparently if you've slept with more people than your husband... Mm-hmm.

then it's very scientific, but your body hangs on to the genes of the other men you've had sex with.