Coco Kahn

And he's just looking at like, well, inevitably the Conservatives will lose it.

So if I'm at the right place, right time, I don't really know.

Well, let's come back to that.

He ingratiates himself with the Labour Party.

He finds his blue Labour faction.

They're all united by this hatred of the left and the grip of socialism or social democracy in the Labour Party.

And they work out that the thing that's going to be terrible for them is if a

Jeremy Corbyn or adjacent soft left government actually gets to power and it's popular with the people.

Ah, they'll never, it will never work.

So they seek to ensure that by the time Labour is going to election, that it's a blue Labour mindset at the top.

And they work

on doing this, funded through money that they don't disclose.

And that is the fraud.

There's the bit that I am not clear is how they landed on Starmer.

And does Starmer know about this Blue Labour project that he's being funded?

Or is he just a useful idiot to use that phrase?

And I would follow up with that because I'm also quite confused.

Would it be reasonable to say, well, now that McSweeney's gone, that Hydra's had its head cut off.

That's a bad example.

Doesn't the Hydra's head come back?