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and now now what their life is basically destroyed like you know imagine you're 18 19 20 21 years old you saved up you've been working you saved up and this is this is it this is basically destroying a life what's so brutal about this is that this all comes on the back the entire crypto market comes on the back of

Do you think this really damaged people's trust in cryptocurrency?

So you are one of, if not the best, like fraudster investigators in the world.

Did you sense, was this on your radar at all, SBF, over the past couple of years?

Were any red flags going off for you?

Do you ever sit like Batman in the dark since he fight crime and wonder, like sad, just staring into the darkness and thinking I should have caught this earlier?

Yeah, I think... In your $10 billion studio.

$10 million studio.

$10 million studio.

With a bunch of cocaine on the table.

I mean, the fascinating thing you said is that one of the lessons here is that a large number of people, influential, smart people could all be wrong at the same time in terms of their evaluation of SBF.

It's just crazy.

Do you think it's possible to have enough like Tom Brady endorsements that you don't really investigate?

So like- Yes.

That there's a kind of momentum, like societal social momentum.

And you don't know maybe how to look in.

For example, there's a few assumptions.

Now, a lot of people are very skeptical of institutions, of government, and so on, but perhaps too much so.

I agree.