Coleman Church

I remember.

And it's crazy.

I mean, it's, again, flashes of Roman empire, right?

You just like-

You go to Rome to collect your tribute.

So I don't know.

I don't know.

I'm not as privy to that world as you are.

I don't know what people see when they get into office and realize that there's potentially no way.

There's no way around it.

All our intentions were great, but this is the way it's going to be.

I don't know.

what okay but you're also suggesting that this is not a solution that you can't spend your way out of a debt crisis i don't i haven't seen it done before right how much magic would that sense a very talented individual uh he's a lot of experience in markets very successful uh the right guy to have at the helm

if he thinks this can be done, I guess, I mean, we don't have any choice, but to see how it plays out, but maybe that's the play.

The play is this is our only way out.

People on both sides, people I speak to, people I knew in the markets, friends of mine, people whose opinion I respect on both sides of the aisle,

The one thing we all agree on is that this is not a tenable situation.

This is not some MMT, Elizabeth Warren people we're talking to.

This is like normal people that say like, okay, at this point, we're kind of boxed at 37, 38 trillion.

So maybe that's the issue.