Cornel West

Well, first, I want to just thank you for having both of us. God bless you and your precious family. But no, we're fundamentally committed to a pursuit of truth. We recognize that we're cracked vessels, we're fallible and fallen. But truth is bigger than all of us, just like beauty is, just like God is, just like goodness is.

Well, first, I want to just thank you for having both of us. God bless you and your precious family. But no, we're fundamentally committed to a pursuit of truth. We recognize that we're cracked vessels, we're fallible and fallen. But truth is bigger than all of us, just like beauty is, just like God is, just like goodness is.

and to be able to spend these 20 years with my dear, dear brother, Ravi, though I have a deep love of my brother. Love is not reducible to politics, and brotherhood and friendship is not reducible to being correct on political issues. I think brother Ravi's wrong on a whole host of things. He thinks I'm wrong on a whole host of things, but I can revel in his humanity.

and to be able to spend these 20 years with my dear, dear brother, Ravi, though I have a deep love of my brother. Love is not reducible to politics, and brotherhood and friendship is not reducible to being correct on political issues. I think brother Ravi's wrong on a whole host of things. He thinks I'm wrong on a whole host of things, but I can revel in his humanity.

And I can take seriously the counter arguments he has against me. I think it cuts deeper than civility, though, Charlie. It's really a matter of humanity. And it also has much to do with what it means to be a follower of Jesus of Nazareth. We can get into that later.

And I can take seriously the counter arguments he has against me. I think it cuts deeper than civility, though, Charlie. It's really a matter of humanity. And it also has much to do with what it means to be a follower of Jesus of Nazareth. We can get into that later.

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Brother Robbie pushes me against the wall and makes me come up with specific ways in which markets themselves may have virtues that I may have downplayed. And I push him against the wall and he begins to see the crucial role of government and the need to balance. But fundamentally, see, Robbie and I are abolitionists. In terms of we want the abolition of poverty.

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Brother Robbie pushes me against the wall and makes me come up with specific ways in which markets themselves may have virtues that I may have downplayed. And I push him against the wall and he begins to see the crucial role of government and the need to balance. But fundamentally, see, Robbie and I are abolitionists. In terms of we want the abolition of poverty.

We want the abolition of cowardliness. We want the abolition of dogmatism, the abolition of tribalism. We know it will never happen because human beings are human beings, but we can fight against it. Philosophically, I thought that Vico was the greatest Italian philosopher in the history of all time. He's convinced me now that Aquinas is.

We want the abolition of cowardliness. We want the abolition of dogmatism, the abolition of tribalism. We know it will never happen because human beings are human beings, but we can fight against it. Philosophically, I thought that Vico was the greatest Italian philosopher in the history of all time. He's convinced me now that Aquinas is.

I've always had a great appreciation of Aquinas, but what does that mean? Well, Robbie is a Catholic and I'm very much a hang loose Baptist. And therefore I had to have an appreciation. of the Catholic traditions. And we've struggled over claims about faith and grace and what have you. So it's philosophical, it's theological, and it's political.

I've always had a great appreciation of Aquinas, but what does that mean? Well, Robbie is a Catholic and I'm very much a hang loose Baptist. And therefore I had to have an appreciation. of the Catholic traditions. And we've struggled over claims about faith and grace and what have you. So it's philosophical, it's theological, and it's political.

On abortion, for example, we've had sustained discussions and debates on abortion. And he pushes me against the wall and I try to push him against the wall in a loving way. We just want to make sure that we are true to the Imago Dei each day.

On abortion, for example, we've had sustained discussions and debates on abortion. And he pushes me against the wall and I try to push him against the wall in a loving way. We just want to make sure that we are true to the Imago Dei each day.

precious human being made in the image of a loving and almighty God and therefore have a certain sanctity and dignity that the world didn't give them and the world can't take away. We take very seriously that Christian practice and our Christian faith.

precious human being made in the image of a loving and almighty God and therefore have a certain sanctity and dignity that the world didn't give them and the world can't take away. We take very seriously that Christian practice and our Christian faith.

And therefore, when we talk about gays and lesbians or trans or what have you, it's not out of hate, even as we have disagreements in terms of what kind of practices ought to be enacted. That's the crucial thing that I love about Robbie. He says what he means, means what he says, and he's got an integrity. He's got a compassion. And that makes a difference, my brother, Charlie.

And therefore, when we talk about gays and lesbians or trans or what have you, it's not out of hate, even as we have disagreements in terms of what kind of practices ought to be enacted. That's the crucial thing that I love about Robbie. He says what he means, means what he says, and he's got an integrity. He's got a compassion. And that makes a difference, my brother, Charlie.

Yes, powerful question though, brother. There's truth, capital T, that none of us have access to, and there's truth, small t's that we have access to, but we have to recognize we could be wrong. And he claims we put forward a fallacy. Now, as a Christian, you know, I believe that Jesus Christ

Yes, powerful question though, brother. There's truth, capital T, that none of us have access to, and there's truth, small t's that we have access to, but we have to recognize we could be wrong. And he claims we put forward a fallacy. Now, as a Christian, you know, I believe that Jesus Christ