Craig Fehrman

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The MeatEater Podcast · Ep. 883: A New History of Lewis and Clark · 1 Jun 2026 podcast

And so they had lived in Louisville, Kentucky, outside of Louisville, Kentucky.

And so Clark becomes like the top diplomat with native people and he has to move to St.

Louis.

And he will make all these, like when he died in 1838, a third of what was American land, Clark negotiated the treaties for.

Clark had a very important life after the expedition.

So he has to be in St.

Louis to do that.

So he tells York, you're coming with me.

But York's wife is in Kentucky.

And we know that York cared a lot about his wife.

He sent buffalo skins back to his wife from the expedition for her to have.

And so York doesn't want to go, and that's where this real friction and tension emerges, that York's like, I want to be free, and also I want to stay in Kentucky with my wife, and Clark says, I don't care.

And so they have really, really tough interactions.

There's one letter where Clark says, I'm ready to beat York, but Lewis talked me out of it.

Wow.

So you can again see, I don't think it makes sense to just talk about slavery in the abstract.

You need to talk about how did Clark see it, how did Lewis see it, because even though they're similar guys, they had very different views on slavery.

And so Lewis was basically like, we don't know exactly why he thought this, but he definitely said, you know, you don't need to beat York right now.

Let's take it easier on him.

But either way, Clark waited more than a decade to free York.

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