Craig Mazin

In season one, when he does that, that is when we feel he's really just disconnected himself from any kind of sense of belonging to society or civilization. He is solely about getting Ellie out of there. He doesn't care what he does or who he hurts.

In season one, when he does that, that is when we feel he's really just disconnected himself from any kind of sense of belonging to society or civilization. He is solely about getting Ellie out of there. He doesn't care what he does or who he hurts.

And now this 19-year-old girl is wandering in there, who at that point is the same age that Ellie is right now, and sees him on the floor and sees that wound. There is a reason in season one we showed him on the floor. We could have easily just stayed with Joel after he shoots him in the head, but that's the last thing in the room that we see because that's what Abby's going to see.

And now this 19-year-old girl is wandering in there, who at that point is the same age that Ellie is right now, and sees him on the floor and sees that wound. There is a reason in season one we showed him on the floor. We could have easily just stayed with Joel after he shoots him in the head, but that's the last thing in the room that we see because that's what Abby's going to see.

And that tearing away can't be undone, no matter how much she tries while she sleeps to do it.

And that tearing away can't be undone, no matter how much she tries while she sleeps to do it.

Very graphic. And one thing that we were able to do is have Abby be very explicit in her confrontation with Joel about what she saw, to confront him with what he did.

Very graphic. And one thing that we were able to do is have Abby be very explicit in her confrontation with Joel about what she saw, to confront him with what he did.

And there's this moment between the two of them that I love and must give credit to Mark Mylot, our director, whose people may know him from Succession. And here he is doing this brilliant job with these actors in these little moments where Abby says, we have a code and the code is not to hurt people who can't defend themselves.

And there's this moment between the two of them that I love and must give credit to Mark Mylot, our director, whose people may know him from Succession. And here he is doing this brilliant job with these actors in these little moments where Abby says, we have a code and the code is not to hurt people who can't defend themselves.

And that's you right now, but I am gonna kill you because everyone agrees. that some things are just wrong. And Joel gives the slightest nod because he is acknowledging that what he did was capital W wrong, but also we understand he didn't care and he still doesn't care. It doesn't matter. So yes, does he deserve to die by the rules of the universe? Sure.

And that's you right now, but I am gonna kill you because everyone agrees. that some things are just wrong. And Joel gives the slightest nod because he is acknowledging that what he did was capital W wrong, but also we understand he didn't care and he still doesn't care. It doesn't matter. So yes, does he deserve to die by the rules of the universe? Sure.

Even when he shoots that guy in the head? Yeah. Even when he shoots the guy.

Even when he shoots that guy in the head? Yeah. Even when he shoots the guy.

Yeah, there's a lot of people talking about the trolley problem, the famous moral conundrum. And what I find interesting about these characters, at least when I'm sitting down at the keyboard and working on a scene, is that they don't have the trolley problem. It's not a problem for them at all. Nobody seems to be wrestling with what to do. Joel's a very clear goal.

Yeah, there's a lot of people talking about the trolley problem, the famous moral conundrum. And what I find interesting about these characters, at least when I'm sitting down at the keyboard and working on a scene, is that they don't have the trolley problem. It's not a problem for them at all. Nobody seems to be wrestling with what to do. Joel's a very clear goal.

Oh, the trolley can either hit all those people or your kid. Not a problem. Send them to all the people. Abby has dragged this group of friends all the way from Seattle back here, putting them all in terrible danger, putting herself in terrible danger to do this. Not a trolley problem for her at all.

Oh, the trolley can either hit all those people or your kid. Not a problem. Send them to all the people. Abby has dragged this group of friends all the way from Seattle back here, putting them all in terrible danger, putting herself in terrible danger to do this. Not a trolley problem for her at all.

So there is a moral clarity here where people are making their own systems of values and sticking to them in extremely hard ways. And the challenge that everyone is going to have is the challenge that Joel faces right here as someone is hitting him in his wounded knee with a golf club. And that is, does it work? In the end, does this method of pursuing my own value system actually work?

So there is a moral clarity here where people are making their own systems of values and sticking to them in extremely hard ways. And the challenge that everyone is going to have is the challenge that Joel faces right here as someone is hitting him in his wounded knee with a golf club. And that is, does it work? In the end, does this method of pursuing my own value system actually work?