Damian Hughes

And again, if people want to go back and listen to the whole of that fascinating conversation with Yaya, they'll hear him talk about how he didn't sleep the night before that final.

He talks about how Samuel Eto'o had sort of sowed a seed of doubt in his mind of going, you?

Playing in central defence?

So he spoke about that really, really candidly.

But like you say, Jake, that confidence is built on evidence.

So what Pep Guardiola was doing there was...

was finding the evidence.

And what I love about it is what we've heard from so many people.

You know, Maro Otoji told us how at Saracen's Rugby Union Club they have the initials TSPDS, the shit that people don't say.

Sam Tompkins told us about the one percenters in game reviews of all the things that nobody would pay attention to, but they didn't.

focus on it and I was heartened to hear that that's exactly what the great Pep Guardiola focuses on the stuff that the rest of us don't see but as a teammate and as a player you value in the people that share that dressing room with you

He just went, I was just doing my job.

In fact, afterwards he castigated us, didn't he?

He said, I enjoyed this interview, but he kept asking me about my mindset and my emotions.

How I felt.

I didn't...

Yeah, I was just doing my job.

But I actually think that is the answer to the question.

This was a guy that just sort of anesthetised himself to emotions just to be able to focus on the task at hand.

Yeah, no, you're absolutely right.