Dan Farah

I mean, there's nowhere to go but to say, OK, there's somebody who is way beyond humans to develop that kind of technology and display it.

Well, I think that's a reasonable place to come to.

I think a lot of the reports that we get, we can generally set aside as being just manufactured by humans who get caught up in this sort of

a give and take on social media and so on.

But nonetheless, when you really zero in on actual evidence of technologies and evidence of bodies, there you can't just say it's just social contagion.

Whoa, what's that on your face?

And I think it would have a great psychological effect because suddenly you go from the point of saying, well, maybe we're the only intelligent species in the universe, and then you suddenly get the idea that,

This is a universe full of life.

You couldn't say that he wouldn't have the ability to do that.

So in fact, from a religious standpoint, and certainly in the case of the Catholic Church, they've had very positive views about population being throughout the universe.

Do you believe in God?

I do, too.

Yeah.

And I'm a practicing Catholic, so.

Yeah, I would think that I couldn't say that's not the case.

But as a scientist, I can't prove that it is the case.

But just on the statistics of it, it's pretty likely.

Well, certainly having their clearances pulled or losing their opportunities for advancement.

We've heard stories like that from several people in the intelligence.

Well, certainly the number one whistleblower for many people has been David Grush.